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224 Valkyrie AR Platform => 224 Valkyrie Reloading and Ammunition => Topic started by: wuzuprad on August 13, 2018, 01:35:40 PM

Title: Reloading once fired Hornady Brass
Post by: wuzuprad on August 13, 2018, 01:35:40 PM
I bought some factory Hornady 88gr match ammo and went to reload the brass after using it once.  I sized and deprimed the brass and that went well.  However upon trying to re prime the brass with small rifle primers I noticed a lot of resistance to the primers going back in.  Some more so then others.  They all looked like they were squished in the primer pocket instead of being seated in it nicely.  Sometimes even little shavings of primer pocket brass would come off or shavings of actual primer steel.  Ive reloaded a few years now and never had this issue before.  Using an RCBS universal hand priming tool.  Is there maybe like a primer crimp or something like that from the hornady factory rounds?  Does anyone have experience with this brass?  Thanks all!
Title: Re: Reloading once fired Hornady Brass
Post by: highside on August 13, 2018, 02:03:46 PM
I assume you cleaned the primer pockets? I really canít see Hornady crimping the primer pockets on these. Maybe some sealant.
Title: Re: Reloading once fired Hornady Brass
Post by: Hammerhead on August 13, 2018, 06:15:32 PM
+1 on cleaning the primer pockets. Also Ive noticed with mine it's necessary to rotate the case a little with your fingers if you feel
a lot of initial resistance. They will go right in when you hit the sweet spot.
Title: Re: Reloading once fired Hornady Brass
Post by: Xaddo on August 14, 2018, 06:13:31 AM
What the .....? I have 200+ pieces of Federal and 250 Starline brass and ALL have sloppy loose primer pockets . A couple of the Starline wouldn't hold a primer on first loading! Now Hornady is going in the other direction! Never had this issue with any other brass. I have had primer pockets wear out after multiple firings but never start off feeling like they're already wore out.
Anyone know of a knurler to fix loose or a reamer to fix tight pockets?🤓
Title: Re: Reloading once fired Hornady Brass
Post by: Hammerhead on August 14, 2018, 08:23:12 PM
   :) Knurling primers would sure draw a crowd. From a safe distance of course.
Title: Re: Reloading once fired Hornady Brass
Post by: highside on August 14, 2018, 09:45:24 PM
You could always use a crimp remover like I use on 5.56 crimped brass. Worth a shot.
Title: Re: Reloading once fired Hornady Brass
Post by: Xaddo on August 15, 2018, 06:13:16 AM
I was thinking of knurling the inside of the loose pockets to help the primers get a grip but I was really just joking. What I really want is someone to make some descent cases for the Valkyrie!
Title: Re: Reloading once fired Hornady Brass
Post by: PA Valkyrie on August 15, 2018, 07:59:41 AM
I was thinking that the media hype during/after SHOT Show in January might have developed more of a demand for all things Valkyrie than the manufacturers were ready for. When production is ramped up in a shorter time frame than planned, quality suffers. It doesn't seem to matter who the particular manufacturer is. We are at the tip of the spear, my friends. Those that get their Valkyries for Christmas probably won't see these problems so much.
Title: Re: Reloading once fired Hornady Brass
Post by: wuzuprad on August 15, 2018, 04:50:25 PM
Thanks for the suggestions guys.  So actually i clean brass, and then size and deprime (I hate running dirty brass through the sizing die)  So I actually got a hand depriming tool, and will try using that before cleaning.  Maybe that will help.  But like I said, have never had this issue before.  Always just reloaded with dirty primer pockets.  Rounds didnt seem to mind.  Ill report back and maybe get some pictures.
Title: Re: Reloading once fired Hornady Brass
Post by: r.tenorio671 on August 15, 2018, 04:58:11 PM
... a Lee Universal Deprimer die will allow you to deprime "dirty" brass before you clean so the primer pockets get cleaned at the same time (assuming you are using "wet tumbler" w/SS pins).  The Lee Universal Deprimer inner diameter is large enough that the case walls don't contact the die walls like a normal sizing die does.  It does add an additional step to your process but could be well worth it.
Title: Re: Reloading once fired Hornady Brass
Post by: wuzuprad on August 15, 2018, 05:10:48 PM
Yeah I ended up getting a Franklin Arsenal depriming tool.  Will give that one a try.  I think it works pretty much in the same way that the Lee one does.
Title: Re: Reloading once fired Hornady Brass
Post by: wuzuprad on August 25, 2018, 06:49:47 PM
So finally got to test out the hand depriming tool, (worked very well).  Then ran them through the cleaner and got all the primer pockets shiny clean.  Then sized, and started priming again.

No good.  Within the first 20 done, I had 4 that were smooshed and deformed pretty bad as the primer tried to get seated.  I took some pictures this time.  With the rest, very few of them went right in, most had to be forced in but ended up not getting deformed as much or very little.  Not normal squeeze and it slips right in though. 

After closely inspecting the cases that had the worse trouble, it looks to me like the primer pockets were cut off center.  So you have the priming hole that the primer goes through and the primer pocket hole that are not lined up.  Hence the deformation of the primers.  I have just contacted Hornady about this issue and will see what they say.  Not super impressed.  Will probably end up buying some starline brass.
Title: Re: Reloading once fired Hornady Brass
Post by: highside on August 25, 2018, 07:57:18 PM
Have you tried treating them like once fired mil spec brass? The Hornady's have a crimped primer and you need to remove the crimp prior to priming them.
Title: Re: Reloading once fired Hornady Brass
Post by: Mtbugle on August 25, 2018, 08:03:14 PM
Don't know that those look crimped or some dinging from your priming operation. Sure looks like a crimp removal tool to bevel the pocket edge may be helpful.
Title: Re: Reloading once fired Hornady Brass
Post by: highside on August 25, 2018, 08:18:36 PM
http://www.224valkyrieforum.com/index.php?topic=119.0

Look at the photos on the second page. They looked crimped. I have done several thousand rounds of Lake City 5.56 brass and the crimp needs to be removed or your primers will get smashed. At least they won't fall out like Federal.
Title: Re: Reloading once fired Hornady Brass
Post by: wuzuprad on August 25, 2018, 08:54:08 PM
Cool well i will go get a reamer and give that a try.  Thanks for the advice.
Title: Re: Reloading once fired Hornady Brass
Post by: wuzuprad on September 01, 2018, 01:49:20 PM
So went and got an rcbs small primer pocket reamer tool.  Seemed to be doing its job by reaming and uniforming the pocket, small little bras shavings were coming out and the pocket looked very shiney after they were done.  But apparently off center is still off center no matter how uniform it is.  Still ended up with smooshed and deformed primers in about half of about 10 that i tried.  Even tried using the priming tool on my hornady lock n load AP press.  Results were the same.  I let hornady know, but they haven't responded to my ticket in a while.
Title: Re: Reloading once fired Hornady Brass
Post by: wuzuprad on September 01, 2018, 01:51:14 PM
Has anyone else tried reloading hornady valkyrie brass yet and run into the same issue?
Title: Re: Reloading once fired Hornady Brass
Post by: Alaska_guy on September 01, 2018, 04:00:10 PM
I just reloaded some factory hornady 88gr ELD's without issue.

1. Buy RCBS .223 swage tool #09495
2. Put the small primer tool in the base of your single stage press
3. Put in the small swage pin in the die, but back it all the way out.
4. thread die body into the press just a few turns.
4. Put a piece of hornady brass in the primer pocket swage base.
5. Lower handle so brass goes into die body.
6. Screw die body down until you hit the neck of the case, then back out a few turns.
7. Tighten down body die lock ring.
8. Slowly screw down the small pin until it hits the bottom of the case.
9. Put the handle in the up position so the brass is all the way out of the die body.
10. Turn the small pin a complete revolution so it is a little lower,  lower the handle of the press and you should feel the small pin and the bottom swager cleaning out the primer pockets.

Continue to screw down the pin until you feel tension when the press handle is all the way in the down stroke.

You should now have properly swaged brass.

Here is a picture of my reloads.

(https://s15.postimg.cc/xl81p2uhn/IMG_1880.jpg)
Title: Re: Reloading once fired Hornady Brass
Post by: Alaska_guy on September 01, 2018, 04:11:05 PM
I am using Remington 7.5 bench rest primers.  If you are having an issue using cci small rifle primers its because they are a tad oversized.  Maybe try a different primer?  I normally use CCI after my primer pockets start feeling a little loose with my remington 7.5's.  That way I get a little more out of my brass life.

Man, I am giving away all my secrets.  :-\
Title: Re: Reloading once fired Hornady Brass
Post by: 10 November on September 07, 2018, 01:07:14 PM
Had the same problem with my factory loaded
 brass. I was using CCI 400 primers.
Im going back to S&B primers to see if the CCIs are thicker as mentioned by a previous poster. (Thanks for that by the way). All I can find for S&B brass on the internet is primed already but it's a start.
Title: Re: Reloading once fired Hornady Brass
Post by: wuzuprad on September 07, 2018, 03:42:19 PM
Thanks for the suggestions, though i gave up on the hornady and didnt do any of that.  I bought 250 pieces of starline brass and primed with no issues.  Though, Alaska_guy from your photo it looks like your brass actually has a primer hole that is centered to the casing.  You can see all 4 center line markings around the primer.  My cases always had one line missing because the cases were off center.  Anyways im testing out the star line brass now and it seems to be off good quality.  Looks great, primers go right in and loads so far have been good.  Ill post later on when i finally get a good load for the gun worked up and shooting well.
Title: Re: Reloading once fired Hornady Brass
Post by: 10 November on September 07, 2018, 09:20:58 PM
Glad to hear you found some brass you prefer.
I went ahead and reprimed the troublesome Hornady with S&B and it went much smoother.  No deformed primers like I had using CCI 400. So I'll use cci 400 in the FC brass and S&B in the Hornady.I think I'll hunt down S&B brass next.  Hope the Starline work for you.
Title: Re: Reloading once fired Hornady Brass
Post by: Shockwave on September 08, 2018, 10:23:23 PM
I'd say those are crimped primer pockets from Hornady.  Get a crimp removal tool or look at other brass to reload.