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New reloader and 88gr eld starting points
« on: November 06, 2018, 06:27:48 PM »
hey guys Im new to this forum, Was wondering a good starting point for reloading 88gr elds, I have h4350 and varget powders atm and I'm shooting out of a 20" craddock precision AR. Any help would be greatly appreciated.-Johnnie

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Re: New reloader and 88gr eld starting points
« Reply #1 on: November 08, 2018, 09:28:20 PM »
I'm also shooting the 88 ELD out of a 20" Craddock AR barrel. Mine is a Criterion. Tried Varget but had no good results. Haven't tried H4350 with the 88s. CFE223 and H414 (Win 760) have been the winners, so far. 2000-MR is next.

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Re: New reloader and 88gr eld starting points
« Reply #2 on: November 09, 2018, 09:13:42 PM »
Welcome. No experience with 4350. PP2000 and RL 15 work very well

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Re: New reloader and 88gr eld starting points
« Reply #3 on: November 11, 2018, 07:05:47 AM »
Thanks guys, It went well with 26.9 and 26.1 gr gr of h4350 but it was a lot of powder, their was significant deformation of the bullet with a linear ring close to the polymer tip because of the sheer volume of powder still shot well suprisingly, I will post picture of groups from my sand bags. I have read good things about the mr2000 powder. I have heard so many negative things about this cartridge and it seems like folks were having a tough time so I was going to give up on this round...

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Re: New reloader and 88gr eld starting points
« Reply #4 on: November 11, 2018, 08:14:22 AM »
2000MR is one of the best powders for the 224 IMHO. With the 88's Nearly all my tested loads were under MOA. And you don't have to hear powder crunch half way through the ram stroke.

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Re: New reloader and 88gr eld starting points
« Reply #5 on: November 11, 2018, 08:45:56 AM »
I learned a few months ago when I pour h4350 to pour really really slow, It must settle down in the case better, fill one fast and fill one slow and look at the difference!!! I have ran 27 before I start getting that ring around the bullet, I was amazed the first time I did this

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Re: New reloader and 88gr eld starting points
« Reply #6 on: November 11, 2018, 09:59:35 AM »
Very true statement. I usually use a drop tube as well. The ring can be removed by polishing the inside
of your seating stem. The ring has no affect on accuracy that anyone can prove I think.
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Re: New reloader and 88gr eld starting points
« Reply #7 on: November 11, 2018, 10:47:05 AM »
I noticed the Ďringí on 95 SMK regardless of powder charge, when I checked my 88ELD I found it with a magnifying glass. 
I did try a little work on the stem or plug or whatever itís called but havenít seen an improvement.  Iím a little hesitant to go too much further without a spare. 


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Re: New reloader and 88gr eld starting points
« Reply #8 on: November 11, 2018, 01:49:54 PM »
There are a few ways to do it. Chuck a bullet in your drill, apply some lapping compound and crank up the drill. One of the members of the forum had a post about using hot glue in the stem as a cushion. I used a mini lathe and 220grit lapping compound and found zero affect on bullet  concentricity. It's pretty hard to overdo it. The ring will not affect anything accuracy wise but the fact it was there bugged me bad.

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Re: New reloader and 88gr eld starting points
« Reply #9 on: November 11, 2018, 04:22:27 PM »
Ok, I will try a drop tube and try polishing the die. The bullet was deformed, it was more then the normal ring but I have seen just the ring w/ less powder. I will try to settle the powder too, thanks guys

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Re: New reloader and 88gr eld starting points
« Reply #10 on: November 12, 2018, 11:46:35 AM »
A sonic toothbrush works great for settling powder.

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Re: New reloader and 88gr eld starting points
« Reply #11 on: January 20, 2019, 09:44:39 PM »
Hi John,

I also have a craddock 20" upper on my AR. Let me know what yours seems to like. Which barrel did you get and what twist rate?
I have the Rock Creek 6.7.

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Re: New reloader and 88gr eld starting points
« Reply #12 on: January 21, 2019, 03:15:14 AM »
A Redding VLD stem has solved my problems with the ring around the nose.

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Re: New reloader and 88gr eld starting points
« Reply #13 on: January 22, 2019, 01:23:49 PM »
Both Alaska_Guy and me did post on this. Here's a link to mine: http://www.224valkyrieforum.com/forums/index.php?topic=223.msg1499#msg1499

OPTION 1: You can use hot glue (correctable) or JB Weld (not usually correctable) to fill the end of the seating stem, and then push a bullet in very tight. Hold the seating stem open-end up in a vise. Build a jig to with wood or metal to be sure you push the bullet in straight. You can temporarily fasten this jig to your seating stem, or clamp it in the vise with the stem. IMPORTANT: Put a good release agent on the bullet, the outside of the seater stem, and the jig! When the glue or JB Weld is dry, just pop the bullet out and get rid of the excess material. Use as normal in your seater die. There are videos on line that show you how to do this.

OPTION 2: If you have RCBS dies, send three new bullets along with a check to RCBS in Oroville, CA and ask them to make a custom seater stem for you. Details are on the RCBS site (somewhat hidden...dig deep) or call them. I have custom seater stems like this for the 95 SMK and the 88 VLD-M. This is the better, but more costly, option.
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