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80.5 Bergers & 85 Nosler RDF with CFE-223
« on: August 05, 2019, 01:10:14 PM »
Gonna put the results in the 2nd post. I will post future results as I get them. My intent is to provide basic reloading information for a specific barrel length and type without providing information overload. I will not post velocities (I don't care about velocity, only accuracy.) I am able to "real world" test at every range from 100-1000 yards so velocity is not important to me. I will also not post information on how the planets were aligned with the Sun or the color of my briefs at the time of shooting.

I hope to eventually provide reload data for 4 different powders and up to 6 different bullets. I will add them as I go and eventually make one comprehensive chart.

There are definitely better shooters out there than I, so the results achieved by me can certainly be tightened up. I'll be honest about when I think a load has more promise than what I was able to do with it on one single grouping.

All groups will be measured from the center of the 2 most distant holes. I tend to chase after the lateral groups over the vertical ones. Feel free to ask about anything I didn't provide. This will not be an exhaustive attempt at charting loads, however it should be a good reference for .224 shooters.

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Re: 80.5 Bergers & 85 Nosler RDF with CFE-223
« Reply #1 on: August 05, 2019, 01:35:10 PM »
Conditions: Sunny, mid 80's, wind gusts from 5-8mph various directions.

Barrel: 24" Match Grade, .863 Diameter, 6.5 twist.
Platform: AR
Powder: CFE-223
Primer: Federal 205 Match Grade AR (205 MAR)
Bullets: Groups 1-4 are 80.5 Berger's and Groups 5-7 are 85 Nosler RDF
Brass: Federal Factory reloads
C.O.L. 2.260
Distance: 100 Yards

Results for 80.5 Berger's
24 grains = .68 inches (development for .2 grain increases between 24-25.6 will happen as this seems like a "sweet spot" for this bullet)
25 grains = .67 inches (could have been under .40 if I had not applied shoulder pressure on 4th shot. This is one I will work with and develop further!)
26 grains = .78 inches
26.4 grains = .77 (did not like this one at all.)

Results for 85 Nosler RDF's
23.6 grains = .70
23.8 grains = .80
24.2 grains = .54 (This is the one I will work with!) I had 2 of this load leftover and allowed an older gentleman at the range try out my Valkyrie since he was interested in it. He put both rounds in the same hole. This confirmed my appreciation of the load and the fact that septuagenarians can really shoot!

There were no high pressure indications in any of the loads.

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Re: 80.5 Bergers & 85 Nosler RDF with CFE-223
« Reply #2 on: August 08, 2019, 04:13:28 AM »
Im a bit confused by your statement you do dont care about velocity only accuracy. Unfortunately you wont achieve much accuracy without consistent velocity.

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Re: 80.5 Bergers & 85 Nosler RDF with CFE-223
« Reply #3 on: August 08, 2019, 07:36:15 AM »
Im a bit confused by your statement you do dont care about velocity only accuracy. Unfortunately you wont achieve much accuracy without consistent velocity.

How about I just say that velocity is not something I will be providing for these tests.

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Re: 80.5 Bergers & 85 Nosler RDF with CFE-223
« Reply #4 on: August 09, 2019, 04:42:58 AM »
Got it.

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Re: 80.5 Bergers & 85 Nosler RDF with CFE-223
« Reply #5 on: August 11, 2019, 02:29:22 PM »
*Note the following groups can certainly be improved by better shooting.

Sunny morning in the low 70's with 50% humidity and no wind.

80.5 Berger's with 25 grains CFE-223:
200 = .91 (So happy with that I didn't shoot another group)

300 = 2.46 (Not too happy with this. No pattern to work with. Will try an increase in powder to see if added velocity improves group at 300)

85 Nosler RDF with 24.2 grains CFE-223:
200 = 1.52
200 = 1.68
(Both groups show promise. Will test again with incremental loads)

300 = 1.56 (A 4 shot group level at 1.09". I assume I was responsible for the one dropped shot.)

So far both bullets perform well. With more powder adjustments and possibly seating depth changes I think I will be able to tune both to solid shooters in the 100-300 range.

Targets attached:
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Re: 80.5 Bergers & 85 Nosler RDF with CFE-223
« Reply #6 on: August 11, 2019, 02:36:37 PM »
Is this the kind of information anyone here is interested in? Since I haven't had any feedback I am simply curious. I'll be testing anyway. I just thought it might be helpful to some even though everyone has a different setup. I know the "best recipes" I have copied from other shooters have been sub-par in my Valkyrie. But they are still a place to start.

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Re: 80.5 Bergers & 85 Nosler RDF with CFE-223
« Reply #7 on: August 11, 2019, 07:55:10 PM »
Another note: Make sure to weigh your bullets if you are testing for group accuracy. I made the Rookie mistake of not doing so. The remaining ones were weighed prior to my next test session.

The Nosler 85 RDF weighed in at 85, 85.2, and 85.4 grains with most being 85.2.

The Berger 80.5 weighed in at 80.2, 80.5, 80.6, and 80.8 grains. 60% were 80.5/6........38% were 80.8....2% were 80.2.

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Re: 80.5 Bergers & 85 Nosler RDF with CFE-223
« Reply #8 on: August 12, 2019, 12:27:46 PM »
Interesting data.  I have never weighed my projectiles when reloading.  I know some sort by brass and projectiles to get as consistent as possible, I am just not one of those people.

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Re: 80.5 Bergers & 85 Nosler RDF with CFE-223
« Reply #9 on: August 12, 2019, 02:44:36 PM »
Interesting data.  I have never weighed my projectiles when reloading.  I know some sort by brass and projectiles to get as consistent as possible, I am just not one of those people.

I doubt most Valkyrie shooters do as it is not really a Benchrest gun...which I am using it for. Serious benchrest shooters either weigh and sort their bullets or they buy a brand like Bart's or E.P.S. If I buy 6mm bullets for my regular BR gun I pay $.53 or $.55 per bullet (if I buy 1000 at a time) for those two brands which have a usual 98% or better weight standard- no need to weigh. If I want to save money I can buy Berger or Lapua for $.38 to $.42 per bullet (100 at a time).

If you are not trying to place all of your bullets in the same hole on a sheet of paper it wouldn't be necessary to weigh them. If you are shooting MOA sized steel over 600 yards it would help. Wouldn't waste my time for hunting- unless you were sitting over a Prairie dog colony at long distance. It might make the difference of not just missing one or two.

Some BR shooters also use a Meplat trimmer to make a uniform tip on the bullets. I do not do this yet, but may at some point in the future.
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Re: 80.5 Bergers & 85 Nosler RDF with CFE-223
« Reply #10 on: August 15, 2019, 01:27:48 PM »
This will likely be my last post for the CFE 80.5 and 85 grain loads. There is still some fine tuning to do but I am moving on to different bullets and 8208 powder for my next tests. If I find anything better than I already posted I will add it. 80.5's still have some possibilities with small changes.

These results were from 3 shot groups, not 5, due to the fact that I was running out of bullets and need to save some for my next match. I always prefer to use 5 shot groups as a reference. I will attach pictures of the two best groups at 200 and 300 yards. I will provide the load data and spread for the rest.

Mid 70's, sunny and moderately windy.

80.5 Berger's with 25.6 grains CFE-223:
200 = .73 (25-25.6 doesn't seem to matter with this load. It is good 100-200 yds)
300 = 1.96 (better than 25 grains, probably need to go hotter to see more improvement)

85 Nosler RDF with 24.4 grains CFE-223:
200 = .81  (no complaints)
300 = 1.49 (shooter to blame. should have been better)

85 Nosler RDF with 24.6 grains CFE-223:
200 = 1.55 (not as bad as it sounds. Perfect horizontal. Again, likely shooter error.)
300 = 1.10 ( same type of group as 200, but better gun handling)

85 Nosler RDF with 25 grains CFE-223:
200 = 1.25 (didn't like)
300 = 1.99 (didn't like. both groups erratic with this load)

I have decided to use 80.5 Berger loads for 100 & 200 yards.....and an 85 Nosler load for 300 yards at my next match.


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Re: 80.5 Bergers & 85 Nosler RDF with CFE-223
« Reply #11 on: August 28, 2019, 10:29:49 PM »
Interesting data, thanks for taking the time to post.

Question on your hand loading kit- what sort of press and whose dies are you using? I知 waiting for a few parts to come back so I can start my build. In other words, I haven稚 fired a shot yet, so I知 gathering info. I値l be hand loading for my rifle as well.

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Re: 80.5 Bergers & 85 Nosler RDF with CFE-223
« Reply #12 on: August 29, 2019, 06:26:10 AM »
Interesting data, thanks for taking the time to post.

Question on your hand loading kit- what sort of press and whose dies are you using? I知 waiting for a few parts to come back so I can start my build. In other words, I haven稚 fired a shot yet, so I知 gathering info. I値l be hand loading for my rifle as well.

I use a Forster coax press- love it.
Redding full size Bushing Style Die
Forster Micrometer Seater Sie
21st Century Hand Primer- Awesome
Fed 205 MAR primers

At my last match on this past Saturday the 80.2 Bergers shot in the 4's at 100 yards and a little better than that at 200 yards. This was from reloads on once shot factory brass. They seem to like the CFE and the powder load is very flexible. The Noslers are proving to be not as consistent. I will be going to a different powder for them.

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Re: 80.5 Bergers & 85 Nosler RDF with CFE-223
« Reply #13 on: August 31, 2019, 06:15:04 AM »
Good stuff, I have my hands on a couple boxes of Nosler 85s and have been wanting to test them I also have 6.5 twist , I will give them a try.

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Re: 80.5 Bergers & 85 Nosler RDF with CFE-223
« Reply #14 on: August 31, 2019, 06:19:34 AM »
Let me know how the 8202 works I have that on hand and its performed well the Nosler 80s custom competition.